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		<title>By: ndl11</title>
		<link>http://ChromaInvesting.com/2010/02/08/audiovox-voxx-a-net-net-buy/comment-page-1/#comment-103</link>
		<dc:creator>ndl11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 20:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS. Except for the net-net part of it. Really need to know what they expect from the invision purchase. Another plus is obviously we are coming out of a recession and they should have tailwinds from that. Also there cell battery that charges from wi fi looks interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS. Except for the net-net part of it. Really need to know what they expect from the invision purchase. Another plus is obviously we are coming out of a recession and they should have tailwinds from that. Also there cell battery that charges from wi fi looks interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: ndl11</title>
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		<dc:creator>ndl11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 20:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi
I just bought a small amount. I dont think 8X FCF is unreasonable as fair value. In looking at the history of the company it looks like the electronics industry changes so much that they have a great product and then they have inventory right downs. It looks like a double from here but need to do more research!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi<br />
I just bought a small amount. I dont think 8X FCF is unreasonable as fair value. In looking at the history of the company it looks like the electronics industry changes so much that they have a great product and then they have inventory right downs. It looks like a double from here but need to do more research!</p>
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		<title>By: chroma</title>
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		<dc:creator>chroma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 16:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The short and honest answer is that I don&#039;t know why VOXX is perennially a Net net stock. It was something I pondered before buying the stock. When I get a chance I will poke around and see if anything strikes a chord. Investor&#039;s don&#039;t like one person controlling a company, unless they are an activist investor trying to get rid of management. The real question it seems to me, is if a company is perennially a Net Net stock does an investor take a smaller gain before selling. My position is up 20% right now. Not bad for less than three months. But it is not my fair value estimate of the company either. What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The short and honest answer is that I don&#8217;t know why VOXX is perennially a Net net stock. It was something I pondered before buying the stock. When I get a chance I will poke around and see if anything strikes a chord. Investor&#8217;s don&#8217;t like one person controlling a company, unless they are an activist investor trying to get rid of management. The real question it seems to me, is if a company is perennially a Net Net stock does an investor take a smaller gain before selling. My position is up 20% right now. Not bad for less than three months. But it is not my fair value estimate of the company either. What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: ndl11</title>
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		<dc:creator>ndl11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any thoughts as to why a perennial net-net stock? Is it Shalam has controlling votes with his class B shares? This cmpany throws of tremendous cash flow. Probably $2 a share for an $8 stock? There is a high short interst and I am not sure why? Lots of questions and no answers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any thoughts as to why a perennial net-net stock? Is it Shalam has controlling votes with his class B shares? This cmpany throws of tremendous cash flow. Probably $2 a share for an $8 stock? There is a high short interst and I am not sure why? Lots of questions and no answers!</p>
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		<title>By: chroma</title>
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		<dc:creator>chroma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graham,

I checked out Myriad Pharma (MYRX). They looked interested at first. But in researching, in Dec. they announced a merger (acquisition) of Javelin (JAV) which will be very dilutive to existing shareholders. JAV is not a Net Net Stock, but it  has drug that has passed Phase III trials. I probably would have been interested in MYRX before the merger. Now, for me it is speculative, with no margin of safety. And I do not know how to value revenune or profits from drugs that have not been approved for use in the United States. Thanks for the tip, though. If you have any more ideas please post another comment or email me: chroma at chromainvesting dot com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graham,</p>
<p>I checked out Myriad Pharma (MYRX). They looked interested at first. But in researching, in Dec. they announced a merger (acquisition) of Javelin (JAV) which will be very dilutive to existing shareholders. JAV is not a Net Net Stock, but it  has drug that has passed Phase III trials. I probably would have been interested in MYRX before the merger. Now, for me it is speculative, with no margin of safety. And I do not know how to value revenune or profits from drugs that have not been approved for use in the United States. Thanks for the tip, though. If you have any more ideas please post another comment or email me: chroma at chromainvesting dot com.</p>
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		<title>By: chroma</title>
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		<dc:creator>chroma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 06:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jae,

Thanks for stopping by. I made a healthy return on another Net Net stock that Klarman owned called FACT. Although he still owns the stock and I sold it. You are correct that quality of assets is vital when investing in Net Nets. I think it was Klarman who wrote about orderly liquidation vs. fire sale liquidation in his book Margin of Safety. I have assumed that inventory which has recently declined was not a problem. Although I am a little concerned about the increase in Accounts receivable and will update the post to reflect that as a risk, I am comfortable with Graham&#039;s margin of safety of 33% on the NCAV value, which I have used to determine  my purchase price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jae,</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by. I made a healthy return on another Net Net stock that Klarman owned called FACT. Although he still owns the stock and I sold it. You are correct that quality of assets is vital when investing in Net Nets. I think it was Klarman who wrote about orderly liquidation vs. fire sale liquidation in his book Margin of Safety. I have assumed that inventory which has recently declined was not a problem. Although I am a little concerned about the increase in Accounts receivable and will update the post to reflect that as a risk, I am comfortable with Graham&#8217;s margin of safety of 33% on the NCAV value, which I have used to determine  my purchase price.</p>
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		<title>By: chroma</title>
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		<dc:creator>chroma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 06:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graham,

Thanks for stopping by. I am a big fan of Jae&#039;s site, and you will see references to it throughout my blog. I think his Net Net working capital is a good conservative basis to use for the low end of the Net Net range. I often use it as my buy price. Sometimes, I feel that it is o.k. to use Graham&#039;s original formula which was Net Current Asset Value discounted by his margin of safety, which is what I did for VOXX. You are bringing up a very important point, and one I will address in a future post: How is the best way to use Graham&#039;s NCAV idea, and if it should be updated, how is the best way to update it. Jae Jun has his version. Klarman and Whitman have theirs. Over time I will develop my own as well. Currently, I use a range.

Thanks for the suggestion of other stocks to review. Almost all I own, have looked at or am reviewing, but MYRX is new to me and I will be sure to check it out. Thank you!
ENWV- I have posted about previously, and why I did not purchase shares. http://chromainvesting.com/2009/12/31/endwave-enwv-a-ncav-stock/

QXM- I own shares of XING which is currently in the process of divesting itself of QXM. As a shareholder of XING I am entitled to approx. .4 share of QXM for every share of XING I own. So, I am already playing the QXM position, but one step removed. I do not plan on selling my QXM shares when I receive them, unless further analysis suggests that I should. http://chromainvesting.com/2009/12/01/qiao-xing-universal-telephone-inc-xing-net-net-stock-buy/

LTON-  you will note that I have just posted that I bought shares of LTON yesterday. Just too slow to get the posting up before you commented. http://chromainvesting.com/2010/02/10/linktone-lton-ncav-stock-buy/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graham,</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by. I am a big fan of Jae&#8217;s site, and you will see references to it throughout my blog. I think his Net Net working capital is a good conservative basis to use for the low end of the Net Net range. I often use it as my buy price. Sometimes, I feel that it is o.k. to use Graham&#8217;s original formula which was Net Current Asset Value discounted by his margin of safety, which is what I did for VOXX. You are bringing up a very important point, and one I will address in a future post: How is the best way to use Graham&#8217;s NCAV idea, and if it should be updated, how is the best way to update it. Jae Jun has his version. Klarman and Whitman have theirs. Over time I will develop my own as well. Currently, I use a range.</p>
<p>Thanks for the suggestion of other stocks to review. Almost all I own, have looked at or am reviewing, but MYRX is new to me and I will be sure to check it out. Thank you!<br />
ENWV- I have posted about previously, and why I did not purchase shares. <a href="http://chromainvesting.com/2009/12/31/endwave-enwv-a-ncav-stock/" rel="nofollow">http://chromainvesting.com/2009/12/31/endwave-enwv-a-ncav-stock/</a></p>
<p>QXM- I own shares of XING which is currently in the process of divesting itself of QXM. As a shareholder of XING I am entitled to approx. .4 share of QXM for every share of XING I own. So, I am already playing the QXM position, but one step removed. I do not plan on selling my QXM shares when I receive them, unless further analysis suggests that I should. <a href="http://chromainvesting.com/2009/12/01/qiao-xing-universal-telephone-inc-xing-net-net-stock-buy/" rel="nofollow">http://chromainvesting.com/2009/12/01/qiao-xing-universal-telephone-inc-xing-net-net-stock-buy/</a></p>
<p>LTON-  you will note that I have just posted that I bought shares of LTON yesterday. Just too slow to get the posting up before you commented. <a href="http://chromainvesting.com/2010/02/10/linktone-lton-ncav-stock-buy/" rel="nofollow">http://chromainvesting.com/2010/02/10/linktone-lton-ncav-stock-buy/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jae Jun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jae Jun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 05:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting analysis. Definitely didn&#039;t know Klarman owned such a big stake.

The quality of assets is also an important aspect of investing in net nets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting analysis. Definitely didn&#8217;t know Klarman owned such a big stake.</p>
<p>The quality of assets is also an important aspect of investing in net nets.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Jervis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham Jervis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 02:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi There,

i punched in VOXX in my Net Net spreadsheet by Jae Jun which uses Net Net Working Capital which is 

Net Net Working Capital = Cash and short-term investments + (0.75 * accounts receivable) + (0.5 * inventory) – Total Liabilities

this works out to $4.65/share. That should put in a real floor on this stock. There are a couple of companies that actually trade below Net Net Working capital, maybe you could look at them further.

OBAS - NNWC is $1.62
ENWV - NNWC is $7.09
NCTY - NNWC is $8.52
LTON - NNWC is $2.54
QXM - NNWC is $5.71
GRO - NNWC is $2.54
MYRX - NNWC is $6.20

Feel free to check these out, looking forward to your thoughts on a couple of them.

http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/investment-tools/new-net-net-graham-spreadsheet/?source=rss&amp;utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed:+OldSchoolValue+(Old+School+Value)&amp;utm_content=Google+Reader</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi There,</p>
<p>i punched in VOXX in my Net Net spreadsheet by Jae Jun which uses Net Net Working Capital which is </p>
<p>Net Net Working Capital = Cash and short-term investments + (0.75 * accounts receivable) + (0.5 * inventory) – Total Liabilities</p>
<p>this works out to $4.65/share. That should put in a real floor on this stock. There are a couple of companies that actually trade below Net Net Working capital, maybe you could look at them further.</p>
<p>OBAS &#8211; NNWC is $1.62<br />
ENWV &#8211; NNWC is $7.09<br />
NCTY &#8211; NNWC is $8.52<br />
LTON &#8211; NNWC is $2.54<br />
QXM &#8211; NNWC is $5.71<br />
GRO &#8211; NNWC is $2.54<br />
MYRX &#8211; NNWC is $6.20</p>
<p>Feel free to check these out, looking forward to your thoughts on a couple of them.</p>
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